Stealing your Guns
"To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct,
but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit
them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow... For
society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to
accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals.
Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate
themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
-- Jeff Snyder, Oct 20, 1994
Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions collective punishments are a war
crime. Article 33 states: "No protected person may be punished for an
offence he or she has not personally committed," and "collective
penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism
are prohibited."
"Individual rights are not
subject to public vote; a majority has no
right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of
rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities
( and the smallest minority on earth is the individual )." - Ayn Rand
(The first act of any Tyrant is to disable the ability of "the ruled" to defend themselves)
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun". -Patrick Henry.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at col. 1.
- "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing.
- If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on,
- and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." -- Mafia informant Sammy "the bull" Gravano,
- on gun control.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians were exterminated.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938. and from 1939 to 1945 13
million Jews and others were exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935; from 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents were exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964, and from 1964 to 1981,
100,000 Mayan Indians were exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970 - from 1971 to 1979, 300,000
people were exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956, and from 1975 to 1977 one
million educated people were exterminated.
FACTOID: CCW permit holders have a MUCH LOWER accidental
shooting rate than police officers.
LINK - Global Gun Grab: The United Nations Campaign to Disarm us all!
"Grigg reveals the real intent behind the UN’s call for "general and complete disarmament." That intent, he convincingly demonstrates, has much more to do with acquiring a monopoly of power than with eliminating all armaments. Whether the armament in question is a weapon of mass destruction or a Colt Python revolver, the UN seeks a globalized police apparatus that will enable it to impose its will on all the nations and peoples of the Earth. That apparatus will control the world’s armaments. And those armaments, Grigg persuasively argues, will be used, not to enforce world peace, but to impose world tyranny. "_____________________________
Ontario Premier, Attorney general and Mayor of Toronto support criminals with guns. Want peaceful private citizens disarmed so criminals and government can have their way with them.
`High time' handguns banned, premier says - Jan 16/08
Attorney General Chris Bentley, who will meet with the mayor next week to discuss gun violence, said "handguns are not necessary in 21st - century Ontario."
Echoing Mayor David Miller, the premier implored Prime Minister Stephen Harper to prohibit the private ownership of handguns.
Be advised gentlemen, you have NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY to universally ban, or in any other way infringe, the private ownership of handguns. NADDA!!! NONE! ZERO!!
Apart from being against the SUPREME LAW that preserves FOREVER our property rights, AND effective means to lawful defence, it is totally incoherent for you to claim a right for the government, while denying the right of those who YOU WERE ELECTED TO SERVE. Give your head a shake!
The only guns you arguably have any authority to ban (as Mayor and Chief of police) are those of the police. So get cracking, if you dare... or are you afraid they may not be able to defend themselves without handguns? <HINT
[See letter from government of Canada in describing their reasons for arming border guards]
We don't blame the pencil the accountant uses to embezzle.
We don't blame the pen the identity thief uses to sign credit
card statements.
Why on earth should be blame all guns for the actions of a few?
By that logic, the RCMP should all be carrying water guns..
Not that it makes any difference to our immutable right to keep
and bear arms.... but its worth pointing this fact out to the few remaining
dullards that just don't get it.
Don't let any 'potato head' politician tell you the majority of Canadians
favour "gun control". Most Canadians actually favour putting away real
Criminals, not punishing peaceful and [common] law abiding individuals.
Do you think that tighter gun control would
have prevented the shooting rampage at Dawson college? | ||
Yes |  | 14% |
No | | 86% |
Total Votes for this Question: 2395
Canoe poll. | ||
[Above poll was 'one vote per household IP' online voting method, and is
accurate to within 5 points. Canoe has since removed the link, so graphic
no longer works.]
SHOCKING! Video of cops beating up seniors and stealing their guns in New Orleans.
Now you've been educated... If you see these people coming to your neighbourhood, you know they aren't coming to give you food or water or any other kind of aid.
People in Canada are not safe either, and in fact it is now possible for US military soldiers to come to your door. Click here to read details....
Canadian Crown prosecutors letting go unlawful use
of guns, while targeting lawful use
Ever wonder how all those guns magically get back into the hands of criminal gangs... even when they have been handed over to police in amnesty programs, or confiscated as a result of a criminal investigation?? Well, ask yourself who most benefits from gun crimes? Who uses it for more power and control? How many groups can you think of that benefit from higher gun crime rates?
A long-serving Vancouver police veteran and a Delta firearms-training company are at the centre of an RCMP investigation into the trafficking of guns, some of which are believed to be ending up in the hands of B.C. gangs.
The secretive criminal probe involves the sale of decommissioned guns — easily reassembled and gunsmithed back into working order — to Lower Mainland gangsters, a police source told The Province.
Gordon Bader, a 30-year veteran of the Vancouver police, now retired, is an instructor at Silvercore Advanced Training Systems, site of a recent police raid.
His son, Travis, is Silvercore’s chief operating officer.
Gordon Bader, a former Emergency Response Team sniper, is also a firearms instructor at the Justice Institute of B.C., where municipal cops are trained.
He is also a gunsmith for the Vancouver Police Museum.
Vancouver lawyer Ian Donaldson, who is representing Travis Bader and Silvercore, said Gordon Bader and another person named in a warrant are the targets of the investigation. “It’s not Travis, and it’s not Silvercore,” Donaldson said.
He confirmed, however, that Travis was arrested over the May long weekend, then released without being charged.
He dismissed allegations of Silvercore’s involvement in gun sales to gangsters as “rubbish.” The company has provided him with substantial documentation showing it ran its business legally, with all the appropriate permits and licences, he said.
[LOL!!! What the hell does there having "appropriate permits and licenses" have to do with them not being able to sell guns to gangers? In point of fact, a "license" by definition is something issued as a grant to activities which would normally be illegal.]
Donaldson said police raided Silvercore only because Gordon Bader was “on the paperwork” for the company. Silvercore’s clients include law-enforcement agencies and private security companies, Donaldson said.
A police source told The Province that a warrant was served on May 16 at Silvercore, on Vantage Way in Delta, where “many weapons were seized.” Police believe dozens of decommissioned guns have found their way into the hands of B.C.’s gangsters, the source said.
[ah.... try hundreds guys... ]
“These recycled weapons and their disassembled parts are one of the major reasons why there are so many guns and shootings in the Lower Mainland,” he said.
The ongoing police investigation is quite secretive and only a handful of officers in the Lower Mainland have access to the whole file. The related court files are sealed.
[GOOD GRIEF FOLKS.... BLUES CLUES FOR YA WITH THIS ONE]
[Note they already have a flattering term for files "involving their own".... cute!!]
One source familiar with the raid on Silvercore said the investigation has connections to the May 9 killing of Jonathan Alex Barber, 23, who was shot dead while driving a Porsche Cayenne SUV in the 7000-block Kingsway in Burnaby. A 17-year-old female friend was wounded in the attack.
[Looks like the job of selling guns to gangs pays well]
One gun used in the attack is thought to be a decommissioned AK-47 assault rifle.
According to police investigators, Barber was reportedly delivering the armoured SUV, fitted with secret compartments, to a well-known organized-crime family in the Fraser Valley.
The Integrated Homicide Investigation Team, which is struggling to deal with the gang violence now at play in the Lower Mainland, has 31 murders on its books for 2008, including that of Barber. Officers have yet to make an arrest.
“We are trying to determine if there is any criminal involvement or if this is an administration issue dealing with firearms,” Morrow said. He refused further comment.
Gordon Bader and Silvercore have been on the police radar for several years now, police sources confirmed.
Silvercore advertises a service to take in guns from the public.
[Wink Wink... Can you say 'gun amnesty'. And maybe now you see why they want to ban them.. More guns to sell back to gangs]
“For a nominal fee, Silvercore will come to your home or any location where you have old firearms that need to be removed for destruction,” its website says.
[Unless in this case they happen to get sold to criminals on the street, who then may come over to your knowingly DISARMED residence and "harm family or friends" ]
Gordon Bader is a past director of the Responsible Firearms Owners Coalition of B.C., an anti-gun-control lobby. In October 2006, the Surrey Leader newspaper published a letter to the editor from Gordon Bader, in which he attacked gun control.
“Perhaps we should concentrate on enforcing our present laws and punishing the criminal,” Bader wrote.
“Taking away guns will do nothing.”
[No doubt doing some under-cover work into those Gun Clubs trying to prevent governments from taking our right of self defence away. This guy seems to belong to many groups, as is common with informants and police operatives]
Police sources said Gordon Bader is well known in law-enforcement circles because of his three-decade stint with Vancouver police and the now-defunct Organized Crime Agency of B.C.
Police gun raid raises questions
Officer behind investigation of gun-training centre owns a competing business - Ethan Baron, The Province December 22, 2010
An RCMP firearms officer involved in a police raid on a Delta gun-training business has opened his own company offering similar services. Jeffrey Edward Harrison, an officer with the RCMP agency charged with enforcing gun laws, is said in a lawsuit to have played a key role in initiating raids in May 2008 at Silvercore Advanced Training Systems, owned by Travis Bader, and at homes and properties of three members of Bader's family.
RCMP documents obtained by The Province show Harrison provided information to police about Bader's father Gordon before the raids, and participated in the decision to obtain search warrants for Silvercore and Gordon's property.
Bader, along with his dad -- a former Vancouver police sniper -- his mother Jane and brothers Sylvan and Jared were arrested and charged with dozens of firearms offences. Hundreds of guns were seized.
[....]
Harrison's website is part of his business JEH Firearms Consulting Ltd., incorporated in August 2009, according to the provincial corporate registry. The site highlights the work history of Harrison, "recently retired from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police -- Canada Firearms Centre." The site advertises firearms training for law-enforcement agencies and the public, assistance with personal gun licences, with issues in gun-related businesses, with transportation of firearms and with gun sales and purchases.
[....]
Most peculiar. I called the RCMP's national headquarters for an explanation or at least a statement about whether tips will only be investigated if the subject of a complaint has approved release of the information provided.
"We don't comment on investigations," Sgt. Julie Gagnon told me.
Right.
I called Harrison's Gunning It Right contact number and identified myself.
"How did you get my number?" he asked.
"From your website," I told him, then explained that Bader had raised questions about his firearms business and his involvement with the Silvercore raid.
"I don't choose to respond," Harrison said. "I don't mean to be discourteous, but I'm going to hang up now."
The Gunning It Right website was taken down by the next day.
Know anything about esoteric symbolism used by clandestine secret societies? Have a look at SilverCore's logo... Another symbol of the vortex to "other worlds" is the swastika..
"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole
plenitude of its extent, it is
unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is
unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by
the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,'
because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates
the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.
Americans more likely to be shot by law enforcement than killed by terrorists Bring it on Blog | September 15 2006 With that in mind, here's a handy ranking of the various dangers confronting America, based on the number of mortalities in each category throughout the 11-year period spanning 1995 through 2005 (extrapolated from best available data).
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In 1995, the so-called "Justice" Minister (Allan Rock) told the House of Commons that the firearms registry would only cost $85 million over five years. The total cost estimate for this confiscation list now exceeds two (2) Billion, and is growing.
The Liberal Party of Canada is even worse than that of the alleged "Conservatives".... These traitors actually came out and publicly admitted to trying to ban handguns for individuals never convicted of any crime..... This is a violation of our Great Charter and common law.
Meanwhile they helped allocate and spend over a billion dollars to give guns to border guards, who have hotlines to the police. Maybe they know something about the need for immediate protection that you don't? Why don't they want you to be able to lawfully defend yourself - ever wonder about that?
A little history of the registry.... Why the urgency do you suppose?
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OTTAWA - Liberal MPs are protesting their own government's decision to shut down debate in an attempt to quietly pass new firearms legislation, with some MPs pledging to vote with the opposition.
This is the first time the Commons has voted on a matter dealing with the government's controversial firearms program since it denied a request for an additional $72-million last December. It would also be the 82nd time the Chrétien Liberals have limited debate since coming to power in 1992.
Some Liberals are siding with the Canadian Alliance in condemning the government for attempting to pass bill C-10A in one day.
MPs also fear a vote in favour of the bill will give a green light to Martin Cauchon, the Justice Minister, to make yet another request for money, even though he never satisfied numerous concerns about the programs' runaway costs, now well over one billion.
Roger Gallaway, MP for Sarnia, takes offence to the wording of the motion, which asks the House of Commons to ignore the fact that the Senate has violated its rights by splitting the bill and sending it back to the House.
"What is being proposed is scandalous,'' said Mr. Gallaway, the government is trying to maintain the firearms program through "back-door'' measures such as the bill from the Senate and is urging his colleagues to vote against the bill and the vote to limit debate.
"It's a Minister who has no principles now, because as the Attorney General and Minister of Justice, he's asking Members of Parliament to waive the law because he's got a problem,'' he said.
When the House passed Bill C-10, the bill originally contained aspects dealing with “cruelty to animals”. Some of the new firearms laws in the bill had to be passed by the Jan. 1, 2003 (registration deadline), so the Senate split off those sections into C-10A and sent it back to the House. However, because the House received the bill the same week that Sheila Frasier, the Auditor General, slammed the program for major cost overruns, Justice minister Cauchon chose to issue a one-year “amnesty” to gun owners affected by the new bill, rather than face the controversial debate that has now been put off to today.
(Did you notice how merely owning a gun suddenly became criminal? Well at least according to their thinking, which totally ignores the Law of Land, which expressly forbids the outlawing of citizens outside the common law, and a judgement of ones peers.)
It’s extremely rare for the Senate to split a bill and to do so, the Upper Chamber had to ask the House of Commons to "waive its rights and privileges in this case,'' in order to approve what it has done.
"I think Canadians should know that we've now sunk to the point where the Cabinet is asking the House of Commons to waive the law because they're in a tough spot,'' Mr. Gallaway said. "They think so little of us that their proposal is to waive the law to solve their problems.''
Today's motion to shut down debate and bring the bill to a final vote marks the 82nd time the current Liberal government has used closure or time allocation.
Brian Mulroney's Tory government shut down debate 72 times from 1984 to 1993.
The bill has been criticized for creating a position of Commissioner of Firearms to oversee the administration. Some Senators, said the Commissioner, lack independence because he or she will report to the Justice Minister, not Parliament.
Mr. Volpe, who said he may vote against the bill, warned MPs are starting to take issue with what some see as the government's excessive use of closure motions.
"These are important points and important precedents of Parliamentary procedure and if we want to just say, 'Forget it, we don't want to have anything to do with that any more,' well, we can abolish the House of Commons and let the executive rule by degree,'' he said.
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The Liberals openly bragged about stealing our handguns if they are elected!
See Paul Martin and the "Liberal" Party of Canada's plan to steal your guns and infringe your rights.
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Liberal fascists
declare war on Gun Ownership; but still want to keep theirs.
http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/061129_resolutions_en.pdf
Be it resolved that the Liberal Party of Canada urge the
government of Canada to support legislation to eliminate the personal use
of automatic and semiautomatic firearms.
FIVE REASONS WHY POLICE OPPOSE GUN REGISTRATION
by Garry Breitkreuz, MP (Yorkton-Melville) June 28, 1999
Saskatchewan Federation of Police Officers wrote: "Saskatchewan Police Association representatives had polled their members on the six points of the Canadian Police Association resolution about the Gun Bill. The members responded overwhelmingly against the gun registry. The Saskatchewan Federation of Police Officers believes the money could more effectively be used in other areas of policing such as fighting organized crime, and human resources for all police services in the country." [full report]
Registry alarms raised
by Teviah Moro.
Orillia Packet & Times,
Local News - Thursday, March 09, 2006
A 13-year-old kid could hack into the federal government's online gun registry
and have access to millions of gun-owner addresses, says a
former webmaster for the Canadian Firearms Centre.
But the real concern is what a criminal mind would do with a shopping
list of guns in Canada, John Hicks, an information technology consultant
in Orillia, told The Packet & Times yesterday.
"If this were Amazon, Visa, or EBay, they'd be bankrupt," Hicks said. "I
have worked with 13-year-old kids who can break into this system."
He first notified managers at the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC) about
his concerns over the site's two-stage log-on process in March 2002.
Hicks said some security measures were improved, but the business site
still has gaping security holes: "They run two websites; they only fixed
one."
To log on for a firearms ownership transfer on the business page, users
must provide the first eight digits of their gun licence numbers.
In a matter of minutes, Hicks who doesn't own a gun demonstrated how a
hacker could tamper with the system, allowing for an unlimited number of
log-on attempts.
"I can set a program up to make one request every five minutes," he said. "It's
a process of elimination."
In his demonstration, Hicks, who stressed he's never broken into the system,
managed to hit upon a legitimate licence number.
Once past that critical first step, hackers could get their hands on the
addresses of gun owners, he noted.
The same flaw applies to passwords, Hicks said.
With access to gun-owner addresses, the potential for criminal activity
snowballs, possibly leading to identity theft and fraud, he added.
Simcoe North MP Bruce Stanton said he's been in contact with Hicks and
is looking into the issue: "Whatever gaps exist, they need to be
rectified immediately."
But Stanton added gun owners shouldn't break into hysterics over Hicks's
allegations.
"They should also be assured that steps are being taken to ensure that
information is being kept confidential."
A spokesperson for CFC told The Packet no individual firearm information
is accessible through the website.
"We actually exceed the government security standards," Maude Bourassa
said. "We monitor any possible attempts of illegal entry into the system," and
"no successful attempts to hack into the system have been detected to date."
But Hicks questioned the CFC's ability to monitor such attempts since the RCMP did
not call him about yesterday's tinkering, which easily overcame the site's
initial safeguard.
"It begs to ask the question: can you even prove that someone's broken
in?" said Hicks.
Bourassa said repeated attempts to guess a password would be flagged by
the website's monitoring system, blocking access from that location.
The security system has been tested by outside experts, including the RCMP,
she added.
The Privacy Commissioner of Canada first reviewed the Canadian Firearms
Program in 2001 and has since monitored developments, according to the
office's last annual report to Parliament for 2004-05.
The Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness responded
with steps to address concerns.
"However, given the passage of four years, the controversy surrounding
the program, and the many ensuing changes, including recent amendments
to the Firearms Act, it is time to refresh our knowledge of the program
in order to plan a new audit," the report said.
A spokesperson for the privacy commissioner said the office is expecting
a privacy-risk analysis from the CFC this summer.
Joey Stevens, a 17-year-old student at Twin Lakes Secondary School in
Orillia, said an interest in computers and elementary school web design
classes would equip kids with enough knowledge to bust the CFC's
Internet security.
"If I had the right programs, it wouldn't be that difficult at all," Stevens
said. "Even if you can't do it yourself, there are always people in chat rooms
who can help you do anything."
Hicks's allegations have raised the ire of the Ontario Federation of Hunters and
Anglers.
"In the wrong hands, the firearms registry could be the biggest shopping
list for criminals out there," said spokesperson Robert Pye.
The federation has lobbied against the gun registry since its inception,
deriding the former Liberal government for spending some $2 billion on a
program its members say doesn't serve any purpose.
Though some improvements were made to the CFC website, Hicks said his
attempts to bring attention to its flaws were "sloughed off" by management.
Frustrated that no action was being taken to address the problem, he
made his concerns public in September 2003, before seeing his position
eliminated and outsourced, Hicks said.
"I threatened to go public with this. My manager cut my job."
Lots of people seem bewildered as to the real purpose of this totally unlawful forced federal gun registry... It shouldn't really be a mystery at all. The registry has done nothing to reduce crime, as should have been obvious given the registry is not a requirement for criminals. No, this registry is to make it easier for the government to collect these guns in the coming UN inspired gun confiscation, which should be arriving within the next three to four years, if things go as scheduled. This at about the same time that a national ID will be made mandatory.
If you think mandatory ID is a stretch, you should know that the government has already been conditioning you for this, with their mandatory passport rhetoric that has now evolved to one of having special RFID "drivers licenses" or similar 'card style' ID. This will eventually be turned into a very convenient "biometric implant" which you will need in place of cash, and your mandatory ID. This is all just one or two more government sponsored terrorist attacks away.... and CSIS is already spreading the word about coming attacks.
You remember CSIS don't you? They're the guys that got 7.7 billion dollars even after failing to stop the Air India bombing; and who we now know had at least one mole in constant daily contact with the lead bomber; and who deleted hundreds of hours of key evidence connecting them to the bombers; and who are now holding up progress of a public inquiry, because they don't want you to get too close to the truth of who really blew up the Air India aircraft.
Long-gun registry stays in 153-151 vote
All MPs show up; Harper says he won't let go of this issue - Janice Tibbetts, Postmedia News September 23, 2010
With every MP showing up to vote, the result was a 153-151 margin in favour of keeping the registry.
Vancouver Island's six MPs were split down the middle -- three voted for the bill and three against.
Liberal Keith Martin of Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca joined the NDP's Denise Savoie of Victoria and Jean Crowder of Nanaimo-Cowichan in voting against abolishing the bill.
Martin said he had a moral obligation to support what all major police groups across Canada, and in Victoria, have said they need to protect themselves and do their job. People have picketed his West Shore constituency office and was told he'll pay at the polls if he votes to support the registry.
"If it costs me my job, so be it," Martin said. "It was the right thing to do."
Well Mr Martin, it should cost you your job, and it was clearly the WRONG thing to do. Your obligation, which came with your oath as a member of Parliament, was first and foremost to uphold the Constitution, which makes it ILLEGAL to make outlaws outside of our Anglo-Saxon common law, AND a jury of ones peers. The illegal gun registry makes outlaws out of peaceful gun owners who have done absolutely nothing wrong. MP's are not supposed to be puppets of the police, but servants of the people in accordance with the Constitution. You have failed that duty, along with all those who voted in like fashion. In allegedly looking out for the sole "protection" of the police (from peaceful gun owners no less) you have ignored the protection, safety, Constitutional rights and liberty of every law abiding Canadian.
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See also: Gun files easy to hack, by DOUG BEAZLEY, EDMONTON SUN
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2006/03/09/1479571-sun.html
Is Bilderberg minion Stephen Harper backing out on his promise to get rid of the unlawful gun registry?
Tory MPs face pressure over gun
registry
By JIM BROWN
OTTAWA (CP) - It's not exactly a groundswell yet,
but Conservative MPs are feeling the first ripples of discontent among farmers,
hunters and target shooters impatient for action on a campaign promise to
abolish the federal long-gun registry.
Backbenchers and cabinet members alike - mainly from Western Canada - say
they're hearing from rifle and shotgun owners who can't understand why the law
they thought was on the way out is still being enforced.
Justice Minister Vic Toews has acknowledged that
some of his own constituents in rural Manitoba are among those "confused" by the
current state of affairs.
The Tories have long opposed the registry established by Jean Chretien's
Liberals in 1995. It was conceived as a crime-fighting measure, but critics say
it's a nuisance to law-abiding gun owners.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper pledged to do away with it once in office. But
until his government takes action the registry will continue to exist, and the
bureaucrats at the Canadian Firearms Centre will continue to do their jobs.
"The law is still in place; we cannot tell people to ignore the law," Toews
warned on the opening day of the current parliamentary session.
[Yes he can most
definitely warn people
to ignore the "law". Canada is not a prison, and unless government can show just cause
under our Anglo-Saxon Common Law [a.k.a.
THE LAW OF THE LAND] the
government's authority to make such legislation is Ultra Vires, and the "law" is
of no force or effect. It is frightening to think that there are MP's within our
legislature that are totally unfamiliar with the law of Canada, and their DUTY
to uphold it, and preserve our Liberties and Freedoms!! Perhaps even more frightening are those that don't even want to help groups like ours to fight for the future of Canada. No, they'd rather give their money to the local liquor store, and whine about where the country is headed.]
Bob Mills, an Alberta MP, has been telling the same thing to gun owners who
complain to him - though he's not comfortable about it.
"You certainly can't advise them to break the law, but I can understand their concerns," says Mills.
[There is no "law" that can force a law abiding peaceful individual to register private property of thereafter become an "outlaw". The registry is not a law, its a statutory requirement that the MP's consented to hold THEMSELVES to. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING criminal about owning private property for a lawful purpose. The only true Law that is being broken here, is by a so-called "New government of Canada" that shows contempt for the Constitution in making outlaws, in defiance to the eternal Law of the Land - which is Magna Carta. And the only arguable duty a gun owner has is to demonstrate competence in handling a firearm.]
"It's this limbo we're in right now that is the problem. I'd like to give them
something more concrete."
Some of the complaints may seem trivial - for example, the continuing
requirement to pay a $60 fee to renew firearms licences. But the fee is red flag
for those who have always chafed at the law.
Ignoring the paperwork and fees can also lead to more serious trouble, including
confiscation of firearms or even criminal charges.
"If you do not take action within 30 days from the date of this letter we will
proceed to revoke your registration certificate without further notice, and we
will advise your local police department for their follow-up," reads one letter
from the Firearms Centre to an irate gun owner.
Many such missives have been passed to Garry Breitkreuz, the Saskatchewan MP who
has led the campaign against the registry. He insists the government isn't
wavering on its abolition pledge.
"I know Stephen Harper is going to keep his commitment," says Breitkreuz. "I've
been assured of that."
The question is when. The answer is unclear, for a variety of administrative,
legal and political reasons.
"This is a minority government," says David Tomlinson, head of the
Edmonton-based National Firearms Association.
"They cannot change the firearms control laws unless they have a majority vote,
and it's going to take time to assemble a majority vote . . . . I don't
anticipate this is going to go down in a hell of a hurry."
Most anti-registry Tories are hoping the first step will be a report, due in
mid-May, from Auditor General Sheila Fraser.
It's a follow-up to a 2002 study that predicted the cost of the registry -
initially pegged at $2 million a year - would in fact add up to $1 billion over
its first decade in operation.
Breitkreuz and other critics claim that was a lowball estimate and put the cost
closer to $2 billion.
They're hoping Fraser will vindicate them with her second report - and persuade
at least some Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois MPs to join the abolition crusade.
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, who is responsible for the registry, has
predicted that once the numbers are out "people are going to be upset, and
they're gong to have a right to be upset."
Wendy Cukier, a Ryerson University academic who heads the Coalition for Gun
Control, isn't so sure.
Past cost overruns should be corrected in future, she says, but that isn't an
argument for killing the registry.
"Why would you burn the house down because you spent too much money on the
renovations?" asks Cukier.
"Fundamentally, the question is, what is it that our investment in gun control
is giving us? I would argue we're getting benefits in terms of preventing
injuries, deaths and crime."
There are other reasons the Tories can't move as quickly as they'd like -
including the fact that the present registration system is so complex.
"It's like an enormous, balled-up fishnet," says Tomlinson. "You walk up to it
and scratch your head and say, 'How do I sort this out?' "
The easiest move in the short run, he says, would be to issue cabinet orders
granting temporary relief to gun owners on some pressing concerns.
That could include, for example, waiving licence renewal fees or offering
amnesties to people facing loss of registration or seizure of weapons.
If such orders are issued this spring, it could put off a legislative showdown
until the fall, when the government could bring in a bill to fully repeal the
registry.
That bill may or may not pass, but some Tories already have a Plan B in case it
fails - point the finger at the opposition.
"People will decide who to blame and I don't think it will be us," says Mills.
"They understand how the system works and they understand it's a minority
government. But they obviously want us to try."
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/04/16/1536778-cp.html
Gun registry cost soars to $2 billion - Feb 13/08
The gun registry was originally supposed to cost less than $2 million. In December 2002, Auditor General Sheila Fraser revealed that the program would run up bills of at least $1 billion by 2005.
But the calculations remained incomplete, so CBC News obtained documents through the Access to Information Act and crunched the numbers.
A large part of the $2 billion expense is a computer system that's supposed to track registered guns, according to one document. Officials [sic] initially estimated it would cost about $1 million.
Expenses now hover close to $750 million and the electronic system is still not fully operational.
Former Justice Minister Anne McLellan declined to talk to the CBC about the gun registry during the investigation. Bill Baker, the head of the Canadian Firearms Centre, also refused comment. [full report]
Border guard charged with sexual assault - August 10/2007
The Zero Tolerance Militarized Police State
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.
"No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson
Restricting gun ownership does not reduce crime. If anything, it raises it substantially...
Graph shows major increase in violent crime in countries with harshest gun control laws. The US rate is lowest.
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Trends in recorded violent crime in England and Wales, the United States, Canada, and Australia, rate per 100,000 persons, 1962-2004
Sources
____________ In Canada, about 53% of
burglaries are home invasions Canada also has a higher rate of burglaries than the US ____________ Doctors And Guns -
http://www.rense.com/general74/docs.htm
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It is interesting to note that while the alleged federal government finds ever expanding reasons it claims to restrict law abiding citizens from their inherent right to bear arms, it finds just as trivial ideas to expand the use of firearms for police, and recently border guards.
Is it because border guards, who have bullet proof cubicles and a hotline to the police, are in so much greater peril than the public who walk the streets unarmed? Read the following letter from "Canada's new government" and form your own conclusion...
Look at letter from "government of Canada"..
Check out your Great Charter - aka Magna Carta. Your commonwealth protection against government aggression and tyranny...
Self defence means right to carry guns
Times Colonist - Published: Sunday, December 24, 2006
With all due respect to your editorial's statement that it is "dumb" for Canadians to
exercise their right to lawful self-defence, such a right is in fact the foundation of any
free country.
Our unalienable right of self defence is historically established in our common law
and predates our Magna Carta. Concomitant to the unalienable right to self-defence
is the ability and effective means to do so.
Notwithstanding any statute to the contrary, the only argument a government could
hope to make in limiting our right to carry firearms for lawful defence would be to
require a level of competence in the operation of a dangerous tool. That duty was
met when a firearms acquisition certificate was issued.
Arguments based on emotionalism and fear-mongering don't cut it, particularly in
arguing for guns for oneself while taking the right from others, which seems to be
the position of many in politics and law enforcement. Sharon Gregson is to be
commended for standing up for the rights of Canadians to not be victims.
David J, Victoria. BC
GOTO: GOVERNMENT THUGS PAGE
"Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your
chains set
lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Switzerland Strips Citizens of Gun Rights.
Despite the vehement protests from many of Switzerland’s cantons (states), the lower chamber of the nation’s Federal Assembly voted to strip its citizens of gun rights, not by registering or confiscating firearms, but by outlawing the storing of ammunition in the homes of the citizens.
According to The Liberty Zone, the move was led by Switzerland’s small but vocal–and powerful–Socialist minority. And apparently it was a leading women’s magazine who aided the Socialists in the cause.
Having failed at attempts to take the guns themselves from homes and store them in government facilities, the new law takes aim at ammo rather than the guns. The Swiss are still allowed to possess firearms; they simply will not be allowed to possess the ammunition to use them.This is the backdoor method of disarming citizens, and it is very effective.
The ban also applies to the male citizens who make up Switzerland’s time-honored citizens’ militia. Even they will be required to keep their ammo at approved government facilities.
The fact that a Leftist minority group was able to convince a majority of representatives in the Swiss Federal Assembly to approve the measure is considered a major victory for Socialism and the push to strip individual citizens of the right to keep and bear arms. [full report here]
Latest gun hysteria sees police claiming that "starter pistols" can be converted to fire like automatics... Read these articles to see how they make this tentative claim.
Starter pistols turned lethal: police - CBC News Mar 3, 2011
Members of the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit raided Westley Military Surplus Ltd. last month, arresting the owner and seizing both legal and illegal fire arms.
In Vancouver on Thursday, police displayed more than 30 handguns seized in the raid. Most were legal starter's pistols used to signal starts at athletic events, but some of the guns had been converted.
(They want you to simply take their word for the fact THEY converted some of these guns, but didn't say which, or explain how. For example, how do you fit the ammo, or convert proper rifling for non projectile "firearm"?)
During the investigation, undercover officers bought three starter's pistols and allege they were told by store staff how to convert them.
Modified starter's pistols a concern - Postmedia News March 5, 2011
Police in B.C. are concerned about the conversion of unregulated starter's pistols into deadly and illicit automatic and semiautomatic guns.
(It is IMPOSSIBLE to convert a starter pistol into an automatic firearm - these are completely different. For starters, a starters PISTOL is a pistol, whereas an automatic rifle is a RIFLE. They are hoping you are too dumb or ignorant to know even this much, but they don't stop here... more outlandish claims are coming.)
In recent weeks, four modified starter's pistols have been seized by police in Nanaimo, Maple Ridge and Surrey.
(Yeah, the ones THEY claimed to have modified, without even a rudimentary explanation as to how, much less a demonstration of their claim that they won't explode if you try to put a bullet in a gun designed only to discharge low pressure blanks.)
It is difficult to say how many more are out there because no figures are kept of the number of blank guns imported into Canada.
(and there is no relationship to the number of blank guns imported, and those supposedly converted...)
It takes only minutes to convert the legal pistol into an illegal firearm, said Supt. Tom McCluskie, who heads the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit's Gang Task Force. If the guns are used in crimes, they are impossible to trace, said RCMP firearms expert Const.
Frank Grosspietsch.
(LOL! Takes only minutes?? If conversion is even possible, it would take expensive machine tools to do it, but the REAL problem is converting a barrel to withstand the high pressure, when they are simply not made to do this in the first place. Removing even more material to resize it for cartridge AND create rifling would weaken it further. Thus, it is more likely than not that after your hours of work, the gun would explode in your hand the first time you fired it. If it is so easy to do, and such common knowledge, its odd they didn't at least show one actually fired at a gun range don't you think?
Face the facts folks, this is just another means to get more gun regulation, while their police friends sell stolen weapons to gangs to maintain the climate of gun fear.)
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